From: sabrina downard Date: 16:29 on 10 Jul 2006 Subject: DRM can bite my ass Dear Apple: As I'm sure you know, I've been a pretty unrepentant Mac fangirl for a while. I like shiny things. I like your laptops. I like your operating system (and I used to like your old one, too). I like my transparent terminal windows. I like not having to run OpenOffice just to read the attachments people insist on sending me. I like Quicktime. I like a lot of things you do. But I've got to tell you, this iPod destructive mind-meld "link" to a specific computer, or whatever the hell it is, is just fucking stupid. So I've got two powerbooks. One's my "real" computer, which has a slowly failing hard disk, and so I've also got a loaner from work. I copied my home directory over to the new one via drag and drop and everything worked very well -- thank you -- such as my shareware apps recognizing my previous registration codes, all my photos and documents and the cruft accumulated over years. Even my Firefox plugins came over (and, it should be noted, that the Firefox on this laptop doesn't exhibit the completely wack-ass behavior that Firefox on my other laptop does -- so that seems to prove well enough that it's not my preferences or plugins or something that's causing it, interestingly enough). Everything was great. ...Until this morning. I had ripped some music over the weekend, onto my external hard disk and added it to the real laptop's iTunes library therefrom. I wanted to listen to it at work today, but my upload speed from home is pretty crummy, so I decided I'd just throw the music on my iPod Shuffle and take that to work and listen to the tracks off of it. I hopped in the car, happily listened to my new MP3s on said faithful iPod on the way in, arrived at work, and plugged in the iPod to my loaner laptop. Whereupon I got a message that said something like "Some songs have not been copied to the iPod 'wee' because this computer is not authorized to play them, including '$song_by_some_other_band_that_was_in_aac_format_but_i_dont_care_about_that_band.'" Okay. Whatever. I have that album on this laptop and I don't know why you're whinging about it anyways, as I didn't ask you to "copy" anything. 'Cos it was already *there* and all. But whatever, I didn't want to listen to that band at the moment (and I can always go type in my stupid iTunes Music Store password if I did). I want to listen to those new MP3s......hey, WHERE THE HELL DID THEY GO? What I'm assuming happened here is that my iPod, named 'wee' (what? it *is*!), had some sort of sympathetic bond with my old laptop, "shiny." It liked shiny. It was evidently involved in a fiercely monogamous relationship with shiny. When I plugged it in to my loaner laptop, "snooty," it decided that, as a part of automatically updating the iPod (why was snooty auto-updating wee if wee is married to shiny?) it would delete the MP3s that were not a part of snooty's music library. Despite the fact that they're not AAC files and had no DRM of any kind. And it's not just that iTunes is not showing them; I downloaded and fired up PodUtil just to check. Then I plugged the iPod directly into my external speakers. Gone, daddy, gone; the love has gone away. Attention Apple: Those were my bloody MP3s. I wanted to play them for myself on my bloody iPod. You morons have just fucked me over because now not only can I not listen to them on my laptop speakers, but you deleted them off the iPod entirely so I can't listen to them in the car or over headphones until I get home tonight. (I would be SO PISSED if this had happened while I was travelling and away from my home computer!) In practical terms, won't someone please explain to me the legal reasons I have *less* right to listen to music I purchased on one set of speakers versus another, to the point where the laptop not only disables the music in question but outright destroys it? You disabled the AAC files that were not authorized. If you wanted to similarly refuse to play back the MP3 files that were not in my currently-connected laptop's music library, why was it necessary to REMOVE them and not simply disable them? I used to carry my old 5G original iPod around with music on it and plugged it in to listen to on other people's computers with some regularity. That was evidently okay behavior back in the halcyon days of, what, 2002? The times they are a-changin'. Suck my dick, Apple. --s. p.s. no anti-IMS anti-DRM advocacy rants need to be sent. I know, I know, I know. I did not deserve what I got in this instance, I don't think, and I'm not ready to pick up a sign and start picketing the Apple Store just yet, but jesus fuck this was a stupid fucking thing for them to do. p.p.s. I'm totally firing up OurTunes and seeing if anyone else on campus has that album so I can pirate it so I can listen to THE MUSIC I FREAKING BOUGHT. You *shits*.
From: Phil Pennock Date: 16:33 on 10 Jul 2006 Subject: Re: DRM can bite my ass On 2006-07-10 at 10:29 -0500, sabrina downard wrote: > But I've got to tell you, this iPod destructive mind-meld "link" to a > specific computer, or whatever the hell it is, is just fucking stupid. I read The Register (I'm not proud of it and yes I need help); I believe that they recently had an article about the next version of the Mac OS, where they've fixed this. So if you want to pay money to get broken features unbroken, it's possible that you can deal with this soon.
From: sabrina downard Date: 16:50 on 10 Jul 2006 Subject: Re: DRM can bite my ass > So if you want to pay money to get broken features unbroken, it's > possible that you can deal with this soon. is it too early in the morning to start drinking? (if it is, it's probably software's fault) --s.
From: Simon Wistow Date: 16:53 on 10 Jul 2006 Subject: Re: DRM can bite my ass On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 10:50:57AM -0500, sabrina downard said: > is it too early in the morning to start drinking? The sun is over the yard arm somewhere in the world, I say go for it.
From: David Cantrell Date: 00:18 on 11 Jul 2006 Subject: Re: DRM can bite my ass On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 10:50:57AM -0500, sabrina downard wrote: > >So if you want to pay money to get broken features unbroken, it's > >possible that you can deal with this soon. > is it too early in the morning to start drinking? Never (says he, the wrong side of some whisky. and beer, and wine)
From: peter (Peter da Silva) Date: 00:50 on 11 Jul 2006 Subject: Re: DRM can bite my ass > What I'm assuming happened here is that my iPod, named 'wee' (what? > it *is*!), had some sort of sympathetic bond with my old laptop, > "shiny." It liked shiny. It was evidently involved in a fiercely > monogamous relationship with shiny. That's the problem... you're assuming that your iPod knows what "faithful" means. It doesn't. Your iPod is utterly promiscuous and will fall right into an intimate relationship with any computer you plug it into. it'll accept that computer's bodily fluids as its own. That's why I never let iTunes get into that kind of relationship. I just copy stuff over. That's one problem with bigger iPods. It becomes more practical to just let it become a kind of appendage to iTunes instead of copying over the stuff you really want. DRM is guilty of plenty of hateful behaviour, this however is something the iPod does all by itself.
From: Earle Martin Date: 08:15 on 11 Jul 2006 Subject: Re: DRM can bite my ass On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 10:29:31AM -0500, sabrina downard wrote: > But I've got to tell you, this iPod destructive mind-meld "link" to a > specific computer, or whatever the hell it is, is just fucking stupid. What the fuck happened to that Apple that used to produce non-insane software? You know, that would do things like copy a file from one disk to another, like every other music management application under the sun.
From: Bill Page Date: 14:29 on 11 Jul 2006 Subject: Re: Re: DRM can bite my ass i honestly have no idea what you lot are complaining about - i have had no troubles copying music from an ipod to a computer and back, all around the place my ipod is a filthy whore, let me tell you well, with the aid of "super-lube" senuti to copy stuff off an ipod On 7/11/06, Earle Martin <hates-software@xxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 10:29:31AM -0500, sabrina downard wrote: > > But I've got to tell you, this iPod destructive mind-meld "link" to a > > specific computer, or whatever the hell it is, is just fucking stupid. > > What the fuck happened to that Apple that used to produce non-insane > software? You know, that would do things like copy a file from one disk to > another, like every other music management application under the sun. > > > -- > Earle Martin > http://downlode.org/ > http://purl.org/net/earlemartin/ >
From: Jarkko Hietaniemi Date: 12:27 on 12 Jul 2006 Subject: Re: DRM can bite my ass Earle Martin wrote: > On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 10:29:31AM -0500, sabrina downard wrote: >> But I've got to tell you, this iPod destructive mind-meld "link" to a >> specific computer, or whatever the hell it is, is just fucking stupid. > > What the fuck happened to that Apple that used to produce non-insane > software? You know, that would do things like copy a file from one disk to I guess they fired those developers because they had to pay the salaries of the Brushed Metal Clan. > another, like every other music management application under the sun. > >
From: Simon Wistow Date: 12:31 on 12 Jul 2006 Subject: Re: DRM can bite my ass On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 02:27:32PM +0300, Jarkko Hietaniemi said: > I guess they fired those developers because they had to pay the salaries > of the Brushed Metal Clan. http://daringfireball.net/2005/09/anthropomorphized http://daringfireball.net/2006/01/brushed_metal
From: Jarkko Hietaniemi Date: 18:44 on 12 Jul 2006 Subject: Re: DRM can bite my ass Earle Martin wrote: > On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 10:29:31AM -0500, sabrina downard wrote: >> But I've got to tell you, this iPod destructive mind-meld "link" to a >> specific computer, or whatever the hell it is, is just fucking stupid. > > What the fuck happened to that Apple that used to produce non-insane > software? You know, that would do things like copy a file from one disk to I guess they fired those developers because they had to pay the salaries of the Brushed Metal Clan. > another, like every other music management application under the sun. > >
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